What if – the U.S.A. & the C.S.A.

by Dahni

© Copyright 3/22/10

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HOW can WE the People regain control of OUR right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?” WE have delved into what won’t work in order to find what will work.

The List (simplified)

8.   Establish a new service to restore OUR rights to “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.”

Today: What if: The U.S.A. & the C.S.A?

Last time WE went back into some of OUR history, beginning in 1861 to see examples of the Hegelian dialectic. WE saw a series of crises which preceded the reaction and how the government synthesized the solutions which ultimately took more of our liberty. Instead of these solutions becoming no longer necessary when the crises ended, the government continued to hold what was seized, modify and expand the jurisdiction over the several states, OUR union and US, WE the People. This corrupt, corrupting and corruptible “system” was compared to a ‘beast’ and the beast must eat. The only solution is to no longer feed this beast and allow it to die. Before WE get to this post, I just want to focus on the word ‘allow’ above, which is a lead-in for this post today.

I was having a conversation with a neighbor recently and we talked of many things. It is quite clear that the majority of people if asked and if honestly answered, would almost all agree that something is seriously wrong in this country. What this ‘wrong’ is has been what WE have been trying to discover and uncover in this blog. For only in so doing, could WE find the solution to correct it! My neighbor made the following statement:

WE have the government WE deserve.”

Think about that statement for a moment. Is it true? Is this an accurate statement? Does this depict OUR mindset?

Deserve –verb (used with object)

1. to merit, be qualified for, or have a claim to (reward, assistance, punishment, etc.) because of actions, qualities, or situation: to deserve exile; to deserve charity; a theory that deserves consideration.

Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2010.

Based on the definition above, you have the right to draw your own conclusions, but I do not believe the word “deserve” fits with the government WE have. I just happen to believe that WE the People are better than this which is supposed to be representative of US and therefore, WE the People deserve better, much better! So what word would more appropriately define the government we have?

WE have the government WE allow!

If WE have allowed this and if WE allow this corrupt “system” to continue, WE the People can also, disallow it.

Today, I thought it would be interesting to imagine the answer to a ‘what-if’ question. What if, there was the United States of America and the Confederate States of America?

Now I realize this is all speculative, but what if all those desiring to secede from the Union in or around the year of 1861 were allowed to secede?

I am quite confident of two things which would have most likely not have occurred, the great tolls of death and destruction.

Most experts conclude that over approximately 600,000 people lost their lives directly or indirectly attributed to this war which lasted four years. These deaths may be summarized as deaths resulting from combat, wounds from combat that led to death and other deaths indirectly caused from this war, such as starvation etc.

The following figures are taken from:

“The Civil War, Strange and Fascinating Facts,” by Burke Davis

“At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:”

“The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:”


Source: “The Civil War, Strange and Fascinating Facts,” by Burke Davis

From the above figures alone, the cost to the Union forces in ending the conflict were almost twice the number of combat deaths than those of the Confederacy.

Beginning with the Revolutionary War in 1775 through the first year of the Vietnam War in 1964, is a period of 189 years. Subtracting the four years of Civil War leaves a total of 185 years. Most estimates show that of all the wars fought in and by this country since 1775, it would take nearly 185 years or through the first year of the Vietnam War to equal the deaths attributed to war in the four years of the Civil War!

For another reference see:


If any death from all of this were not more than enough destruction, it does not address the devastation of land, property, poverty, civil liberties and civil rights that were also consequences of the so-called, American Civil War.

Perhaps now you can understand why I am so reluctant in calling this conflict among OUR states, the Civil War. It was neither technically a war nor was there anything civil about it.

If this was not a question of Civil Liberties, than why was it necessary to secede from the union and why was it necessary to pit families and friends against each other?  If this was merely a question of Civil Rights, than why did it take until 1964, just one year short of 100 years after the Civil War ended to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964? And one final question. Ever since the “crisis” ended in 1865, has the government seized more or less control over OUR lives?

Well imagine what would have happened if the South had been allowed to secede.

Map of 1865

This map was modified from an edition of the National Atlas of the United States and is in the public domain.

By 1865, there were a total of 35 states – 11 states in the Confederacy =  24 in the Union. Borders and boundaries would have been well defined by this time. A good possibility exists that the Border States (in yellow on the map) if allowed, might have joined the Confederacy. Missouri and Kansas might have spilt in half. Union territories allowing slavery (Oklahoma, New Mexico and Arizona) may have become a part of the Confederacy. This would make a possible future of 20 states in the South and 28 states in the North, not counting Hawaii or Alaska. The physical separation between the U.S.A. & the C.S.A. would be obvious, but what else?


The constitutions of the U.S.A. and the C.S.A. are remarkably similar and in some cases are word for word the same. Some of the distinctions of the Constitution of the Confederate States of America are as follows:

  1. The preamble clearly defines the several states as independent and sovereign as was the central government being independent and sovereign.
  2. What we call the ‘Bill of Rights’ was incorporated into the C.S.A. Constitution and not added later as they were in the Constitution of the U.S.A.
  3. It was their intention and written in the Constitution that this Confederacy was to be a “permanent” government
  4. Slavery is mentioned several times in this Constitution and the position of it as held by the C.S.A.
  5. The “Commerce Clause” was more narrowly defined as to what the central government could and could not do.
  6. Taxes could only be appropriately by special “request” or by 2/3 passage in Congress.
  7. The president could only serve (1) single six year term.

Note: To read the entire Constitution of the Confederate States of America see:


There are other differences, but the above, are some of the most distinct. Would these distinctions have been great enough for other states to secede and join the C.S.A.?


France, intending to provide the gift of the Statue of Liberty in celebration of the Centennial (1776 -1876), would this have occurred, for what location and what would it have looked like? The chains of slavery at her feet may never have appeared in the design. Williamsburg and Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia would have been in the C.S.A. Those of the North would have to most likely have a passport to visit this historic area. Would there have ever been a Washington monument of perhaps two? Would there have ever been a Jefferson Memorial or perhaps two? There may have been many other landmarks common today, never built or completely different.


The Interstate highway system may not have been built under the Eisenhower administration as Dwight Eisenhower may have never been the supreme Allied Commander in WWW II or elected president from Kansas, which may or may not have been in part or wholly from the Kansas of the C.S.A. Border posts and patrols may have made travel from the north and south and vice versa difficult, require passports and possibly tolls.


Would CNN have ever been conceived or achieved, making 24 hour news possible? Cable?  Telephone, radio, newspapers, magazines, the Internet?

Military Cooperation:

I think it is reasonable to assume that the north and south on friendly terms with each other, would have separately concluded the necessity of  military cooperation in both World Wars, but what about the Korean War, Vietnam and those conflicts we are presently engaged in?


I am confident that trade among the north and south would remain necessary, favored and friendly. It may have been difficult to retire in Florida without a separate passport or surrendering one for citizenship in the C.S.A. What would the north be paying for orange juice? Would the car industry have been born in Detroit?

Space Exploration:

Would space exploration have occurred? Would the PC or the Mac have evolved from computers used to make space exploration possible?

I am sure there are many other things to consider, but as I began, this is all speculative. But just as WE have good relations with the country to the north (Canada), I am confident that two countries (the U.S.A. & the C.S.A.) could peaceably coexist.

Would these two countries (either or both) ever have evolved to end slavery? Would the words “created equal” ever have been a practical reality? It must never be said or even contemplated that the Civil War was necessary to end slavery. It can only be said that sometimes, good things come out of bad situations. Be this by the grace of God, in spite of ourselves or…

“…by the better angels of our nature.”

From the final 7 words, the First Inaugural Address of Abraham Lincoln, March 4, 1861

If slavery was lifted from OUR nation by divine providence, political necessity or “the better angels of our nature,” then what were the bad angels of OUR nature? This is an important question to answer as it relates to the corrupt, corrupting and corruptible “system” WE have been exposing throughout this blog. Previously WE have looked at when this “system” began in 1861, now WE need to understand why. Slavery was not the issue as to the cause of the Civil War; it became an issue on both sides. Next time WE will look at the real causes for all OUR conflicts, all OUR passions and the fuel that feeds the fire of the beast, this corrupt, corrupting and corruptible “system.”

Next Time: Ignorance, Hypocrisy, Liberty and Supremacy

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or what you can do for your country,

but what can WE the People do, for each other!”

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